00:58:05:13 – 00:58:16:09
Synergee
welcome back Synergee listeners. We are so excited. You have joined us again as part of your wellness journey in Ridgeland MS. for part two of an amazing series that we’re talking about with Dr. Richie Shoemaker about chronic inflammatory response syndrome and functional medicine in Ridgeland MS.
00:58:16:10 – 00:58:31:16
Synergee
This particular episode is going to be filled with his emotions as well as just why he’s done what he’s done. But we want you to grab a piece of paper, have a pencil, take plenty of notes, and we can’t wait to hear what your thoughts were about this episode to contribute to your wellness journey in Ridgeland MS.
00:58:31:15 – 00:58:44:06
Synergee
I don’t know if you want me to share more about my story, but my story was I got all the way through Shoemaker protocol and then went on VIP and could not tolerate VIP and aggravated my pancreas, but more to my story is I found out.
00:58:44:06 – 00:59:03:11
Synergee
I found out a lot about myself I didn’t know through this process, I found out I was born with an annular pancreas, so my pancreas is wrapped around my duodenal and I had poor feeding as a baby, like in the hospital for three weeks because of eating issues. They never discovered it. I had hyperemesis during pregnancies like really, really sick hyperemesis during pregnancy.
00:59:03:12 – 00:59:13:03
Synergee
The whole nine months still it wasn’t discovered. And so it took having CIRS and failing VIP before that was figured out,
00:59:13:03 – 00:59:17:18
Synergee
excuse me for interrupting. What’s annular pancreas? Do you have pressure on the pancreatic doctor?
00:59:17:18 – 00:59:27:08
Synergee
No, I do not. All of my studies as far as flow look really good. But I’m wondering if it’s positional or if there’s something going on there when stressed.
00:59:27:09 – 00:59:34:09
Synergee
but again, very similar to what he has done over the years is that it took you to the next window or the next crack in the door.
00:59:34:15 – 00:59:44:03
Synergee
Right. Which gave you insight to the next thing. And it’s that persistence that keeps you in this with an optimism that, you know, there’s hope on the horizon. Right? With functional medicine in Ridgeland MS.
00:59:44:03 – 00:59:46:14
Synergee
and you’ve been on the low dose VIP protocol.
00:59:46:14 – 00:59:50:00
Synergee
Yes. Microdosing 1/100 concentration one 100,000. Yeah. And same same things. Yes.
00:59:54:17 – 01:00:06:04
Synergee
And I’m willing to retry because my panic, you know, has calmed down. So I mean I am really willing to reach for that at some point, when it’s appropriate, if that’s what we need to do. Yeah.
01:00:06:05 – 01:00:07:16
Dr. Shoemaker
Well, I’ve got a new drug I’m playing with. I just let you know, I think in six weeks, because I want you to try it, I’m not interested in seeing you stay sick.
01:00:14:01 – 01:00:22:01
Synergee
No, I’m not interested in that either. Yeah, especially after the last. After the last reports, I was like, okay, you have my attention now. Yeah. This is.
01:00:22:02 – 01:00:41:17
Synergee
Yeah. Even though functionality is way better and I think people need to hear that too, because a lot of times we settle for being fine, and I do a lot to mitigate a whole lot. I mean, binders continue continuously, air filters everywhere. You know, great food, all the things to sleep, all the things that you need to do to take care of yourself.
01:00:41:17 – 01:00:42:13
Synergee
And I’m fine.
01:00:49:15 – 01:00:56:14
Dr. Shoemaker
The paper that we published last month, a novel therapeutic approach to Parkinson’s disease.
01:00:56:14 – 01:01:38:19
Dr. Shoemaker
Using transcriptomics to identify unique patterns of gene expression, including triple positives, toll receptors, then a toxin exposure at Christmas time. We published the fingerprint. And one of your questions to Sara was the future longevity of the future. Yes. Getting fingerprints, transcriptomic fingerprints of illnesses is going to help us a lot, especially when they’re neurodegenerative. But we have used the fingerprint to now add three more biomarkers to our list of what any toxins do to micro glial cells and to autophagy.
01:01:38:19 – 01:02:04:01
Dr. Shoemaker
And the central nervous system. And by fixing those, we’re fixing Parkinson’s. Mine is far better than ever. It was Alzheimer’s. Don’t know what’s going to work, but it looks promising. But the point is, it’s patients with illnesses that had no answer. Like this hysteria patients like the like. The more patients like that it’s largely patients like the blue green algae patients.
01:02:04:03 – 01:02:36:01
Dr. Shoemaker
Those people are the stimulation that says learn more. Learn more, learn more. And when I do get someone like you who is still functional but has is gone through a whole upper layer of window, and we can, we can because the future of CIRS research is to fix folks. Thank you. You know, the easy ones are easy ones. The hard ones.
01:02:36:07 – 01:03:09:21
Dr. Shoemaker
We now know how quickly it takes, especially with endotoxins that I tell us by far and away, the most common organisms that make people sick are 18 hours, 42% and 28% for, for windows. But we’re also now seeing a beyond Vedic looking as the fourth, fourth module. We’re seeing a fifth one is this is the triple positives of a direct abnormality in the genes that are involved with coagulation.
01:03:09:23 – 01:03:34:08
Dr. Shoemaker
Because they are involved with each other, they set off one coagulation pathway after another. And that’s a search conference when that’s the, the owners of neuro on, they are ready to bring forward the, miracle of findings, you know, give us micro clot and micro bleed that may not be affecting you because you don’t have true velocities.
01:03:34:10 – 01:03:51:05
Dr. Shoemaker
But where we’re going began with an autopsy of the fish. And now it’s looking at the mechanisms of axonal injury. Paper I a year ago was looking at tuba for a, another tubulin to you BD one. You’ve got the cell body attached to an axon attached to a sentence.
01:03:57:19 – 01:04:27:10
Dr. Shoemaker
And that’s the functioning of a neuron. The axon is full of tubules. And if you’ve got tubulin abnormalities those tubules will not work. And you will get deficiency of delivery of ions and nutrients to the synapse. And the synapse will die back. And this is called dieback to general CNS disease. And we fix that by fixing the tubules.
01:04:27:12 – 01:04:29:09
Synergee
It’s just so exciting.
01:04:29:09 – 01:04:40:11
Synergee
and by doing the testing that you’re doing, these are things that predictively will alter the course of a person’s future by knowing it. Now, because these aren’t things that immediately show up,
01:04:40:11 – 01:04:49:11
Dr. Shoemaker
We have found three year olds who have the triple positive gene array, and they’re going to develop Parkinson’s when they’re 55 years old.
01:04:49:13 – 01:05:15:08
Dr. Shoemaker
Well, here was one person, ten years old who first got young, got sick, is now 44, hasn’t gone out of bed and in 1434 years who’s got triple positives. Here is an index case for saying these genes were there. They were, you know, waiting to be activated. It took ten years to reactivate them and 34 years we’re going to fix those.
01:05:15:13 – 01:05:48:23
Dr. Shoemaker
We’re going to correct this correction of gene abnormalities now with Crispr. And I was tinkering with the genes of God. But we’re looking at the makeup of certain genes that are way off the standard deviation list. You’re way off the standard deviation of this. And yet it is you and the ten year old with his triple positives that bring the future of geni, the feature of Sirs to that side now.
01:05:48:23 – 01:06:08:15
Synergee
We always say in medicine, you know, it’s the genes that load the gun, but it’s the environment that pulls the trigger. So the gene, the gene testing you’re talking about right now, just for our listeners to discriminate between the standard gene testing that’s done and things like, you know, 23 and me or whatever else, genes testing, you’re talking about the gene, which is transcriptomics, right?
01:06:08:15 – 01:06:15:05
Syenrgee
Which is the way the genes express themselves based on environmental changes. Did I explain that right?
01:06:15:04 – 01:06:20:04
Dr. Shoemaker
Yes. You did perfectly. We’ll get you to get up there. And they will give you a lecture next time.
01:06:20:04 – 01:06:37:16
Synergee
So you mentioned earlier the hallmark of chronic inflammatory response syndrome is hypo metabolism. So let’s go in a little bit to help people understand because this is what creates the fatigue process and the ongoing challenges with the inability of the patient to recover.
01:06:37:17 – 01:06:48:18
Dr. Shoemaker
When I mentioned the different organisms involved with CIRS, yes, mold and accidental bacteria, most people have not heard of that to us.
01:06:48:20 – 01:07:23:12
Dr. Shoemaker
And the toxins coming from gram negative rods, what we’re looking at is that each one of these organisms makes a very small molecule that disrupts what’s called the sarsen rice and loop now, right. So you can say, oh yeah, that’s a plant toxin that is released in the subways of Tokyo and kills all these people. Yeah. What the source and Rice and Loop will do is insert an amino acid according to the gene program.
01:07:23:14 – 01:07:30:16
Dr. Shoemaker
So one amino acid in the next amino acid, the next amino acid after 28 bean acids, you’ve got 28 amino acid protein. But the small molecules disrupt the number 15 in this ring, in this loop it’s a ribosome. All inhibitory protein or the, the destruction of this source and rice and loop. We now know we can fix the source and rice and loop and restore number 15, which is that alanine, to its normal place and correct the gene abnormalities.
01:08:04:13 – 01:08:38:22
Dr. Shoemaker
But 95% of serious patients are chronic fatigue patients, fibromyalgia patients and chronic fatigue patients all have source and rice and loop dysfunction with the nuclear transcription factors for the mitochondrial genes that left in my country 3 billion years ago, and now setting up housekeeping in the nucleus, they are affecting ATP synthase, making ATP cyclooxygenase kind of electron transport chain, and then translocations.
01:08:39:00 – 01:09:14:12
Dr. Shoemaker
Translocations remove pyruvate. As I mentioned to you in my excitement, I talked about too fast. Sorry, but translocations will move pyruvate into the mitochondria where they broken down into ATP, CO2 and sugar. But remember we’ve got the genes of metabolism affecting these things. I’m sure you’ve used the keto diet in some people. In some people it works beautifully. And if the insulin receptor substrate is not over reactive, the keto diet works beautifully.
01:09:14:14 – 01:09:39:21
Dr. Shoemaker
But if IRS two is full service receptor substrate is elevated, keto won’t work because everything and every protein will get converted over to glucose. You can have all the fat you want, all the ketogenic as you want. It doesn’t matter. It gets overwhelming. So Jeannie has so many things. What we’ve got with Jeanie is it goes back to my question for you.
01:09:39:23 – 01:10:11:02
Dr. Shoemaker
You had hurt me too and hurt me. John, we know that molds back wrong acting nose can be found out and those can be found out. But specific causation. Here’s where the lawyers come in. We know that if we have specific causation. But by industry example we are going to have downstream gate genes. And these people who’ve got these genes, these genes CD 14 to 2, that’s the big one too for less less and less less big.
01:10:11:04 – 01:10:41:22
Dr. Shoemaker
But these are specific and precise and saying what is making this person sick? As we expand specific causation to triple positives, as we expand it to get rid of Parkinson’s, and as we expand it to get rid of all simmers, we’re looking at neurodegenerative processes that have genes, makeup that say, this is what is going on wrong. I didn’t know what was going on wrong.
01:10:41:22 – 01:11:05:07
Dr. Shoemaker
I knew I had closed down, I mean, I had my own popcorn, I’m going to fire it. But we now can know what else in the environment we don’t know about these little microplastics. Are they setting off gene activation? You know, and it’s the inquiring mind. They’ll start getting government grants. Yeah. No, you won’t get it from the NIH for a few more years.
01:11:05:07 – 01:11:34:21
Dr. Shoemaker
But you will eventually. But in the meantime, it’s patients and physicians at the bedside to make all the difference. In the new paper that this is really it’s a triple paper. It’s the history of CIRS. It’s the legal aspect of sirs. Andy Hayman Scott’s molecular biology. David Larkins has got the microbiology.
01:11:34:23 – 01:11:49:16
Dr. Shoemaker
Eric Doniger is going to then do sophisticated work on what the treatment is. But with that paper in mind, it’s 40 pages. Michael rants and David Mark and Larry Schwartz.
01:11:49:16 – 01:12:11:05
Dr. Shoemaker
And, John Banta is coming with their 40 page paper. This is accepted. Eric’s got his 40 page paper on treatment. We’re going to have three legal ready briefs to give to the politicians, to give to the other doctors to say here it is what we know.
01:12:11:11 – 01:12:23:10
DR. Shoemaker
We came from a dark place and lack of knowledge, and now we’ve got fingerprints for what’s going to be all signers and our major our way of fixing it. We won’t give up
01:12:23:10 – 01:12:33:08
Synergee
And I love what you said about looking for causation, because I do really believe that oftentimes we’re operating from, you know, just a set of symptoms.
01:12:33:08 – 01:12:42:16
Synergee
And people just want an answer. They want a diagnosis. And at the end of the day, we have to understand what’s causing the problem to help a person.
01:12:42:16 – 01:12:57:03
Dr. Shoemaker
So I’m super curious. I’ve never asked you this but we have the ability to see causation from mold endotoxins a Tina mix. Now beta Lukens why don’t we send Lyme.
01:12:57:07 – 01:13:03:21
Synergee
Right. But we’re not seeing Signatera and we’re not seeing listeria on the list. Is there a reason for that?
01:13:03:20 – 01:13:14:01
Dr. Shoemaker
They have their own specific causation. We just have had enough people to do them. Okay. This is just a matter of no, no, no Jenny. We will find it. See, it’s a great question.
01:13:14:06 – 01:13:19:08
Synergee
It has to be difficult for you to report out and have something to build from.
01:13:19:08 – 01:13:28:03
Dr. Shoemaker
So we don’t have a specific neuro client that we know of now for dinoflagellates. For blue green algae on us. Yeah we will.
01:13:28:03 – 01:13:30:21
Dr. Shoemaker
That’s probably more prevalent than we’re realizing.
01:13:30:21 – 01:13:39:16
Synergee
You know, I live on a reservoir in Mississippi, like the river runs through, and I just feel like there may be some issues, possiblywith, you know, full well if you create an environment, it’s an ecosystem. And that ecosystem has got nutrients or, or poison altering compounds like, like copper and that are carbonates where, you know, if you build it, they will come. If you put poison in the water, things will grow, right?
01:14:02:07 – 01:14:06:15
Dr. Shoemaker
Yeah. And as this country enters, it’s climate change problems.
01:14:06:14 – 01:14:08:08
Synergee
Yeah. Too much water from. From floods and not enough for fires. I think too often I kind of want to talk a little bit about mold being a small fraction of, of this whole equation the naive either consumer being a patient or a client or a physician or medical provider serves has automatically for those naive providers have met mold.
01:14:31:08 – 01:14:38:20
Synergee
And actually, from what I understand, that’s only a small fraction, right? That’s kind of what we’ve been talking about as causation. Yes.
01:14:38:20 – 01:14:50:14
Synergee
I think water damage and mold often get lumped in the same language. And I think it can be challenging, especially as we work with our mediators, that they’ll go into an environment and they’ll do their remediation.
01:14:50:14 – 01:15:09:20
Synergee
And it no it doesn’t have mold or no smart park or cleaning was done. Nothing was done for Tinos. Nothing was done for windows. They’re not looking for any sewage leaks in the home. Like, it’s just it’s a hard conversation to drive when the conversation is mold specific. So I know that’s been a process of evolution, but just curious about your perspective.
01:15:09:20 – 01:15:20:00
Dr. Shoemaker
Next week you will have the paper from the environment very well groups together with the history and all the other stuff.
01:15:20:02 – 01:15:56:09
Dr. Shoemaker
After the service meeting on June 8th, the European societies sponsored a symposium on environmental illness and the Built environment. And they said, would you like to submit a paper? And I said, yes, it took ten of us three weeks, write 340 page papers, and they’re all accepted. They’re all going to be published. You will have things slop down on the desk of your fellow.
01:15:56:09 – 01:16:22:11
Dr. Shoemaker
They want to do an air sample. We’ll slap it down on the fellows who think there’s nothing wrong with the sump pump in the crawl space. And some of those ignore the leaky, leaky sewage. So, seal off. Oh, no. On the toilet. You know, it’s going to be published in the highest order. When I think of the environment, the you guys have got 191 references, I think.
01:16:22:11 – 01:16:34:12
Dr. Shoemaker
You want the answers you got published. Don’t give me your opinion. Give me your data. Publish your data. Then we’ll listen to your opinion.
01:16:34:11 – 01:16:46:09
Dr. Shoemaker
It’s kind of dogmatic. And I’ve been that way for all my life. But, you know, a long trial. The proof was with my explanation of the fifth grade math problem along with triumphant proof is what?
01:16:46:09 – 01:17:07:05
Syenrgee
This has been here. And we’re just getting started with molecular biology again. And the extensions that we have is folks like you on the, on the, on the front lines, taking care of patients who are going to be challenged to read, challenge, read and read and read and radio. I’ll write the paper, but you have to read it right.
01:17:07:05 – 01:17:23:07
Dr. Shoemaker
These people are using part of my protocol. Well, he’s wrong. I did part of the protocol that just didn’t work. Oh, yeah? How much energy, how much work? All those years. Well, well, it is easier to take. I mean, we were able to get one a day.
01:17:23:07 – 01:17:24:20
Dr. Shoemaker
what happened 2 or 3 times a day.
01:17:25:02 – 01:17:31:21
Dr. Shoemaker
Oh no, we don’t want to do that. What’s the protocol? Doesn’t work or doesn’t work if you didn’t do it right, right. You read
01:17:31:21 – 01:17:42:03
Synergee
But that takes a provider that’s willing to sit with that patient and educate and reeducate, because a lot of times they don’t because of the neurological challenges of this condition.
01:17:42:03 – 01:17:57:20
Synergee
And they don’t always have the best ability to to follow instructions the first time you tell them. Right, right. So this is a labor of love as a provider, treating patients with service as well. Just being patient with the evolution of the process of walking them through, a treatment plan
01:17:57:19 – 01:18:05:16
Synergee
and a perfect example that healing is not linear. In your case, you will hit walls. You will hit, I don’t know, let’s figure it out.
01:18:05:16 – 01:18:15:06
Synergee
And they have to be willing to understand that it is not a black or a white answer. You’re navigating the causation environment and re-exposure right.
01:18:15:06 – 01:18:34:21
Synergee
And I think the other thing that I was talking about, fixing exposure is, is number one. And as you’ve already mentioned, one lady said, well, I’d be happy to send the dust samples, but I heard it cost $450 to get the answer.
01:18:34:21 – 01:19:03:15
Dr. Shoemaker
What’s wrong? I said, that’s right. How should you spend so far? $100,000. Well, it’s not free. You’re going to have to do it. Jeannie’s not free. We’re getting ready to go. Johnny Rossini and Barbara Enviro are going to be making my PCR available. Ariella told to act. We’re going to have these new biomarkers readily available.
01:19:03:15 – 01:19:11:03
Dr. Shoemaker
So you have to buy all the whole Jeannie Jeannie $750. It’s it’s it’s expensive to do gene through gene work,
01:19:11:04 – 01:19:18:06
Dr. Shoemaker
but it’s less expensive than it used to be. Yes it is. When I did my first Jeannie, I think I paid quite more than that.
01:19:18:06 – 01:19:18:23
Synergee
Yeah,
01:19:18:22 – 01:19:21:20
Synergee
it’s $2,000. When we were doing all the gene sales.
01:19:21:22 – 01:19:54:22
Dr. Shoemaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, people were pretty desperate to do that. But getting back to this team approach, I talk too fast, I leave too fast. And, I’m more of a research mentality, and someone to sit and figuratively hold the hand of the patient who’s angry, the patient who’s lost everything and hasn’t gotten anything at all.
01:19:54:22 – 01:20:06:07
Dr. Shoemaker
She’s got his misery in her life. Maybe your kids like her and maybe your husband. There’s, but not necessarily. It’s. It ruins Ron’s life. And so I am talking about.
01:20:06:07 – 01:20:22:23
Dr. Shoemaker
Tubulin for A is a gene for brain injury. It’s going to be second to someone. And having human compassion by saying you’re not alone. Here’s hope. Remember Pandora’s box.
01:20:23:01 – 01:20:33:15
Dr. Shoemaker
She opened it. She was told not to. And all the flies and mosquitoes and beetles and bugs and all the bad things you got to have let loose on earth. And you know what’s at the bottom of Pandora’s box?
01:20:33:16 – 01:20:44:16
Dr. Shoemaker
A little butterfly and that butterfly was hope. And that hope is what providers like you guys do is better than I ever did, that’s for sure.
01:20:44:17 – 01:21:12:00
Dr. Shoemaker
And the more coaches we bring in, the more compassionate things we bring in, the better off we are because we’re after healing the whole person. Yes, a person is more in the genes. The whole person is God caring. The whole person’s got family members that love them. The whole person’s life has been taken from them by little tiny particles made by them by an act.
01:21:12:00 – 01:21:32:00
Dr. Shoemaker
You know it was you to grow, growing in a house where it shouldn’t have been. It was right. What was wrong was that criminals in it’s renters aren’t allowed to be exposed to more bad things. But you know when we started certifying coaches I said, well, you know, look at how they’re there and they’re going to try to act like they’re doctors.
01:21:32:02 – 01:21:41:18
Dr. Shoemaker
No, as a matter of fact, they’re acting what doctors don’t do. That’s right. Bringing humanity to humans.
01:21:41:17 – 01:21:47:05
Synergee
Yep. And that personal touch and I think more and more are getting into the field in space.
01:21:47:05 – 01:22:08:15
Synergee
I know Kelly shared with me, you know, even someone in the licensed mental health arena who is there to counsel couples going through it because oftentimes, I mean, I’ve I’ve lived some of this where they, they, they dismiss to. Right. Because they just don’t know what they don’t know. And so I love that more coaches with a diverse background are coming into this space.
01:22:08:16 – 01:22:30:14
Synergee
But sadly, in some respects they’re usually getting into it because they too have had a personal journey through it, which makes them relatable, which makes them relatable too. But yeah, people have been so dismissed and they’re broke, typically at the point at which they come to providers. I can speak for me and you could probably speak for you, if they have tried everything, everything.
01:22:30:14 – 01:22:56:12
Synergee
They’ve been to a lot of places. They’ve been dismissed. They’ve lost trust in the traditional medical people that they have sought out. They have felt, listened to and they’ve spent every dollar and the thought of having to move from their home or from their business. I remember you going home that weekend, that you left that conference and you were faced with a weekend decision of having to move out because staying in your practice wasn’t going to be possible for you.
01:22:56:17 – 01:23:05:08
Synergee
And I admired the fact that you were willing to do that, but you knew because you saw firsthand what it would be like if you stayed in that. Yeah. You know.
01:23:05:08 – 01:23:20:08
Synergee
Yeah. And luckily they tore the building down later, later. I was worried that someone else would move right into that space and have a problem as well. But they did tear the building down, which was, I think, epic and very healing for me to see that going.
01:23:20:08 – 01:23:33:07
Synergee
But CIRS is not a common household term. Right. And so I think even when we talk about sirs or even bring up that topic, like to us, it’s what we talk about, right, right. But to them it’s not common.
01:23:33:07 – 01:23:52:01
Synergee
And I think that we have to make it more common to talk about, and I think I’m trying to figure out how to do that. That’s why I perhaps this, you know, a podcast just like this, right, is so important because we just hope that they’ll click on it and they’ll listen right and plant that scene
01:23:52:00 – 01:24:06:16
Synergee
and to your point, Dr. Shoemaker, all the technicalities of all of the intricacies of biochemistry, is mind boggling. And oftentimes we just gloss over when we start hearing all of the details.
01:24:06:17 – 01:24:32:09
Synergee
But all of those details are so incredibly important for providers to understand, for us to do the right thing and not take shortcuts in the protocol. There is no shortcut. I wish there was a shortcut, but there’s not a shortcut in getting out of exposure, loading the body and taking the binders in, working through calming that inflammatory storm that just gets progressively worse as the years go by.
01:24:32:09 – 01:24:49:04
Synergee
There’s no shortcut to that. And, it’s your work and the work of others that are pursuing this research ongoing that provide hope and a future. And we don’t have to struggle like that for a lifetime despite our genes. Right. Despite that, the genes that we’re, we’re born with. Right.
01:24:49:04 – 01:25:07:19
Synergee
And I think about even the development on your behalf of, and those that came around you for the proficiency, right, for creating a proficiency test of sorts or certification that ensured that people, providers of care, walking through that journey were proficient at the practice of doing this.
01:25:08:00 – 01:25:15:16
Synergee
And that doesn’t mean it’s over when it’s over, because what we found is there’s more data coming out, right? You got to stay connected, educated.
01:25:15:15 – 01:25:25:23
Synergee
So yeah, I start where Shoemaker developed his protocol and published his protocol and got the case definition for chronic inflammatory response syndrome that gave us the language that we have today.
01:25:26:01 – 01:25:45:13
Synergee
As Lori mentioned, he developed a curriculum for providers to follow and become proficient in treating this right. And it was rigorous. I remember doing that and meeting with you to go over the exam and, it was. Yeah, you were a little bit intimidating, Dr. Shoemaker. I’m not going to lie a lot. It’s a lot intimidating, but
01:25:45:13 – 01:25:49:19
Synergee
but not purposely. And I’m so glad you were, because it’s holding us to a standard, right?
01:25:49:19 – 01:25:53:18
Synergee
Holding us to a standard of care. Right? Right. That is so important.
01:25:53:18 – 01:26:07:04
Synergee
And now George Washington University has a curriculum. And now series X is developing not curriculum per se, but coursework ongoing where they’re bringing all of these people together once a year for a live conference that’s also live streamed.
01:26:07:06 – 01:26:26:14
Synergee
So there’s no excuse for not continuing your education there. Because you can do it from the comfort of your own home and not have to travel. And I will say, I heard a lot of chatter around them vetting the hotel, right, that you guys stayed in. And I thought that was really impressive because we don’t often hear that when we go to conferences.
01:26:26:14 – 01:26:36:04
Synergee
It’s kind of a crapshoot as far as what we’re going to get in the way of quality of space that we’re in for, for the patients that we have that have chronic inflammatory response. So good job there, too.
01:26:36:04 – 01:27:12:22
Dr. Shoemaker
What we talk about today is come, comes back to your attitude. Really. Yeah. Attitude towards sick people and attitude towards finding answers. I just wanted to read the last, last sentence in my essay. That’s part of this paper coming out. But it must be said that for all the power of innovative tests and technologies available to advance medical science, no tool proves more valuable in unraveling serves than the timeless skill of truly hearing the patient.
01:27:12:22 – 01:27:45:06
Dr. Shoemaker
That’s the attitude that I’m hoping will continue to grow by leaps and bounds, because it is making a difference. If you know there’s a respect issue, if you’ve ever worked in emergency rooms and you would see someone coming in who had 25 health complaints and, big sick wanted patients and the emergency room doctor, cynically, without much respect for the patient will say that’s a Gomer.
01:27:45:06 – 01:27:46:19
Dr. Shoemaker
you know what Gomer means right.
01:27:46:19 – 01:27:48:23
Dr. Shoemaker
Go get out of my emergency room.
01:27:48:23 – 01:27:52:06
Synergee
I worked in the ER. You’re exactly right. You’re. That’s true.
01:27:52:06 – 01:27:59:07
Dr. Shoemaker
There’s a hand waiting for you in the wind in the exam room. Was the hand waiting attached to a person.
01:27:59:07 – 01:28:04:04
Dr. Shoemaker
I mean they were classified either as a drug seekers or you know, and you kind of adheres to that.
01:28:04:04 – 01:28:32:20
Synergee
I’ll be honest. Like I’m the type of material. But it’s true because I just think, again, you know, that compassion and that doesn’t come at a cost. It doesn’t come at a cost for practitioners that genuinely care. We’re having to continually refine how we do what we do because it can be exhausting. It can be tiresome, you know, and we have to collectively be around other providers of care to lift us up, encourage us to figure out new ways to do what we do so that we have the bandwidth to give.
01:28:32:23 – 01:28:37:03
Synergee
Because you can’t give from an empty cup either. You can’t pour from an empty cup.
01:28:37:02 – 01:28:58:03
Synergee
It goes both ways. There needs to be respect for the physician there, the provider who’s trying his utmost to help, and folks with a lot of loss, a lot of emotion can express a lot of anger. And some of the phone calls we get are from people who really are angry.
01:28:58:03 – 01:29:15:19
Synergee
And yet, when their brain sticks and they’re thinking normally and acting normally, it’s like, oh, my God, I’m so sorry. That’s part of the illness. So you need to have that taken care of. And like I said back, that doesn’t bleed because you’ll get carved up by looks. You’re trying to help as well.
01:29:17:02 – 01:29:27:14
Dr. Shoemaker
That we’ve got to keep in mind is that the 24% number cruncher paper I wrote in 2003, by the way, in case you want to know where that comes from.
01:29:27:16 – 01:29:53:08
Dr. Shoemaker
But we’ve got OSHA saying that 50% of our buildings and 85% of our office buildings have water damage and water exposure, 24% of people working and 50% of the buildings. Well, let’s see, 50% of the U.S., 160 million people, 25% of those are 40 million people. How many, how many million people are diagnosed with fibromyalgia?
01:29:53:09 – 01:30:20:18
Dr. Shoemaker
How many million people are diagnosed with depression that doesn’t respond to antibiotics or antidepressants? How many people are walking around with Lyme disease smokers? You don’t have, you know, the numbers start adding up and 40 million sounds like a lot of people, sirs, but you can almost guarantee that if you work up with a new patient with sirs, that they will say, near the end of the interview.
01:30:20:20 – 01:30:39:12
Dr. Shoemaker
But this is just like Mrs. Jones has my, my I went to school. I went to high school with her. And the search word may not be around, but the fatigue is around the 50. And all that is is too real.
01:30:39:12 – 01:30:48:03
Dr. Shoemaker
and anxiety anxiety that’s a common symptom as well that we see repetitively.
01:30:48:03 – 01:30:54:04
Dr. Shoemaker
And what do we do frankly for anxious patients? We might look to see what their amygdala looks like.
01:30:54:06 – 01:31:18:02
Dr. Shoemaker
We might give them a benzo. What are we really doing? You know, are we helping them with a benzo? Well, you know, hard, hard, hard to say. So people get hooked in and bad things happen. But. The future is you guys. The future is not all guys like me. My job is to pass on what I know.
01:31:18:04 – 01:31:44:14
Dr. Shoemaker
My job is to make sure that research questions are asked and more people are taught. The more people that are taught, the more people learn, the more people learn. They learn together. That’s right. That’s part of the message of this podcast, because here you are doing the hard work and and maybe you have a spouse in and you had a rough day in people’s romance, your receptionist because they didn’t do something you wanted.
01:31:44:14 – 01:32:17:23
Dr. Shoemaker
And, you know, they come home and you know, what you’re doing is so important. It’ll test your faith. But, there’s a reason that we’re put here to do things that other people won’t. And that’s for another day and another podcast. But, you know, when I look to see the inflammatory pathways that are evolutionarily conserved, what does that mean?
01:32:17:23 – 01:32:25:01
Dr. Shoemaker
And evolution, narrowly conserved pathway because everybody’s got it where it comes from.
01:32:25:01 – 01:32:44:03
Dr. Shoemaker
So you know, when I went to Galapagos for a nice, nice vacation in 1986 and, was beautiful, I was just amazed that Charles Darwin spent 19 days and 12 of them were on land. Nine hours seminar on, on and on ship.
01:32:44:05 – 01:33:08:01
Dr. Shoemaker
And he collected finches by shooting them with those big old blunderbuss guns they had. And they had pieces of sparrow pieces of finch. How could he have detected changes of revolution in the beak of a fish? That it was in three pieces, and maybe two and 2 or 1 finch was another Finch. I look at one of the teachers.
01:33:08:01 – 01:33:33:16
Dr. Shoemaker
The mentor of Darwin was a Shah from Scotland who was an Iraqi archeologist. Yeah. And just looking at patterns of rocks that came from South America and from Antarctica to Scotland when panga was floating around, you know, all these things that we’re looking at, like they’re new or not new, it’s just us that are new, finding what they are.
01:33:33:17 – 01:33:52:05
Dr. Shoemaker
So I’ll continue to look for the nuances of Parkinson’s disease and triple positives. You’ll continue to look for more efficient ways to provide compassion to people quickly and put it in a bottle. We’ll give them two drops three times a day of compassion.
01:33:52:04 – 01:33:55:20
Synergee
So, Doctor Shoemaker, I was able to watch this Earth X conference.
01:33:55:20 – 01:34:23:07
Synergee
Some of that I got to do live in some of that, watched, recorded. I watched your presentation and you presented my case study. And as you sit up there in front of the CIRS X community, I could see the pride in you of watching the people in those seats learning and soaking. And you got really emotional during that time.
01:34:23:09 – 01:34:25:16
Synergee
What was that emotion for you
01:34:25:17 – 01:34:27:02
Synergee
And that was just.
01:34:27:02 – 01:34:52:09
Dr. Shoemaker
It was powerful. You could feel it even remotely. You could feel it. So just so much appreciation for that. Because you have had it hard. And a lot of times I think you are perceived as being a little hard. And so to see you in that light and to see, like, your gift to this community, I think is love.
01:34:52:11 – 01:35:00:12
Dr. Shoemaker
And you could just see it and feel it. And so I, I want you to know that I just really want you to know that, and I just thank you for sharing
01:35:00:12 – 01:35:03:23
Dr. Shoemaker
Those kind words make a lot of difference. I appreciate that.
01:35:03:23 – 01:35:05:20
Synergee
You’re leaving an incredible legacy,as we would all love to write. I think about what when I, when I go from this earth to whether that be tomorrow.
01:35:11:22 – 01:35:30:03
Synergee
We never know our time. Right? Is the one thing I think about. Having lost my dad this year gave me a lot of reflection on this, you know, when they wheeled his body out. Right? And you kind of like, gosh, is that what life is about? Or is that all, like, in one day here and breathing and then the next day gone like or in a minute just gone.
01:35:30:05 – 01:35:35:16
Synergee
What are the things that you just wish to leave behind? Yeah. And you’re leaving a legacy for functional medicine in Ridgeland MS.
01:35:35:16 – 01:35:52:20
Synergee
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