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Synergee
Welcome Synergee listeners. We are so excited that you’re back with us today to be able to enjoy one more of our exciting podcasts in your wellness journey in Ridgeland MS. And today we have a really special guest. We are joined by someone who brings both deep expertise and a deeply personal perspective to the conversation on healing and vitality.
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Synergee
Doctor Jenny Tufenkian, is a naturopathy physician with over 20 years of experience practicing and teaching functional medicine. She’s known for taking on some of the most complex cases of chronic illness and guiding people toward real transformation. Her own journey through illness gave her not only the knowledge, but also the compassion to help those who feel stuck, exhausted, or unseen in integrative health in Ridgeland MS.
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Synergee
She blends the best of modern science with ancient healing wisdom, teaching people how to create their own unique toolbox for health physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. She’s also a mom of two, a teacher, and a light bringer who believes that when we feel our best, we can shine more brightly in our homes, our work, and our communities. We’re so excited to talk with her today about a topic that impacts so many, but it’s often misunderstood.
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Synergee
Fatigue, and how a functional medicine approach can help us move beyond survival into true vitality.
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Synergee
Welcome, Doctor Jenny, we are so excited to have you here today. Thank you so much. It’s just a pleasure to be here. I can’t wait for this conversation.
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Synergee
So we always like to start off with having you tell your story. You know, we don’t land treating chronic illness without a story, a powerful story behind that.
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Synergee
So tell us. Tell us all about that. And maybe some bumps and bruises along the way. Right.
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Dr. Jenny
Oh yeah. There are plenty of those. Yeah. So, you know, it’s interesting, I think some of you who I think maybe Kelly and Lori, maybe you can identify with us and some of the listeners can too,
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Dr. Jenny
Once you sort of identify, oh, I have this condition or I’m dealing with this thing, once you start digging in and deeper and get into your journey, you can start going, oh, well, maybe it actually started way sooner than I thought it did.
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Dr. Jenny
And so I’ve definitely had that where I’m like, oh, I think I had strands of some of these things as a child now that I’m kind of and as a teenager now that I’m kind of putting it together. But my big, big wallop, two by four, bang by the universe happened in my second year of medical school, where I was just convinced I could be superwoman because I decided to become a doctor.
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Dr. Jenny
When I was six months pregnant with my first child, unexpectedly pregnant, single, had about $200 to my name, and decided to become a physician.
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Dr. Jenny
It was a great decision. But it was a little crazy of a path. And I started and I had to do my premed stuff when he was tiny, and then started full time when he was three and it was second year medical school he was sleeping through.
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Dr. Jenny
I’d pass my boards with flying colors and I thought, it’s time to have a second child. I had married his dad. Now this whole story and the happily married and all of that and thought it was time, had a series of miscarriages, and one of those was at 17 weeks, hemorrhaged, passed out in the bathroom, rushed to the hospital at 5:00 on a Friday, and that experience threw me into what I call the dark night of the soul.
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Dr. Jenny
I really see that we have this physical body, this mental, motionless energy body where more than just this physical body and often disease is on one or multiple of those levels, and they impact each other. And you can use this to understand why you’re feeling so badly, and also how to heal. And you can also use it as a way of knowing where to lean in sometimes.
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Dr. Jenny
So when we’re grieving, we can use our physical body to process that emotional experience. Dark night of the soul I really see as being when all three systems are down. That’s what was for me. My physical, mental, emotional and energy were all flat and I was in bed for months. I was literally staring at the ceiling. I couldn’t eat, I couldn’t sleep.
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Dr. Jenny
People thought I was going to die. I was so sick I had ice up to my knees. I mean, I was really out. And in another time as a woman in the state, I would have thought I was going crazy because I just could not handle anybody in the room. It was too much energy for me to have people in the room with me.
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Dr. Jenny
I really had to choose to live at that point because some very intense things were happening to me at the time, and I ended up needing to make that choice to live.
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Dr. Jenny
When somebody said to me, you know, you need to eat. And I remember forcing those seven almonds down my throat just so I could live that experience. I ended up getting a therapist and who helped me do hypnotherapy, and we were able to access some really deep, subconscious things and generational trauma and other things I was processing at that time, and it got me out of the severe suicidal depression I was in, out of the severe anxiety I experienced and got me from what I call the bed to the couch.
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Dr. Jenny
And after months of being in bed, I moved to the couch and I wasn’t stuck in that horrible depression and fear anymore. But I was exhausted. And that’s when the label of chronic fatigue syndrome landed in my lap in the 90s, and
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Dr. Jenny
I was like, get that label away from me. I don’t have the yuppie flu, like now.
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Dr. Jenny
And then I was like, oh, maybe it actually fits. And so that I had to take a whole year out of medical school, and I just threw everything I had at it.
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Dr. Jenny
It took me a couple of years, but I did heal and I healed completely. I put it into 100% remission, was able to get back to full energy, 150%, had another kid open clinics, was teaching and doing all the things and I and I.
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Dr. Jenny
Two thoughts. One, I’m never doing that again. And two was I know the body can heal like that experience allowed me to be present with people who were very, very sick, like, you know, very sick, because I literally felt like I was looking at death. And it helped me understand that the body can regenerate even when it feels like it can’t.
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Dr. Jenny
So anyone listening who feels hopeless, please at least hear this like there’s always I mean, I’m just I’ve seen so many times when it’s happened. So thinking nothing would like that would ever happen, it did. I had a series of events. The perfect storm of injuries, pain. Some ego of refusing. I was super fit, and I refused to get unfit even though I’d injured my knee.
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Dr. Jenny
Was doing all this upper body core stuff, like, yeah, it’s time to work on those arms. And then I ended up getting frozen shoulder
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Dr. Jenny
and I was perimenopausal. And so that all those lovely hormones, estrogen and progesterone, which are nice, fluffy anti-inflammatories, were tanking in me and I ended up getting to that severe pain sleep deprivation cycle. And really quickly
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Dr. Jenny
I relapsed.
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Dr. Jenny
And it was so interesting. That’s when I learned how easy it is for people to relapse in these conditions, and how much we need to really look at what got us here so that we can get out when we start to feel like our bodies are slipping down. And, this time I was working and my family was dependent on me financially.
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Dr. Jenny
And so the idea of going to bed for months was not really an option. I literally would be in bed and going, like, if I stop working, we’re going to bankruptcy. Like, no joke. Like that was the option. We’re both self-employed. That’s it. Like, I can’t work. That’s it. So I really had no choice, but I would just get up in the middle of the night because I couldn’t sleep.
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Dr. Jenny
And I just started doing PubMed, like, what’s going on? What? What’s causing this? I even typed into Google and I’m afraid of everyone. Anyone else has ever done this, like,
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Dr. Jenny
Why am I so tired? You know, like at 3:00 in the morning for a top search? Actually, I.
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Dr. Jenny
Help me. Yeah, that was a bump
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Dr. Jenny
Yeah, that with a bump in the road. That darn perimenopause. I mean, it is a time where things will resurface. I see it over and over again
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Synergee
where that’s the time that people fall off that cliff. If they’ve ever fallen off before. You are super vulnerable during that premenopausal phase.
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Dr. Jenny
I think so, and I used to say that. Oh, and I had a sprinkling of perimenopause on the top, but the more that I understand the power of that change in that shift with the hormones and how it impacts everything else in your body, it wasn’t a sprinkling. That was a key part of the foundation as to why that relapse happened.
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Dr. Jenny
And I think that, you know, we can be more aware of that. You know, if for women who are in their 30s and 40s, to be aware of that, that may be something they need to be looking out for. So the story continues. And what happened during that time, that was I never expected, as it used to be, if I was sick or my kids needed me, my patients disappeared and I called it the universe taking care of me.
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Dr. Jenny
And I expected that to happen this time because I was a wreck. But the opposite happened. All of these patients came to my clinic. I walked out to book a holiday, and my front desk was like, you’re booked for like the next three months, you can’t go away. And I had no idea. But all these people were coming to me and allowed me to try all these different things on myself, my patients, and they all had chronic fatigue.
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Dr. Jenny
And that’s when I really figured out that there are these five root causes that have these patterns. There are these things I could listen for, for how people talked about their fatigue and what their body responded to, that made it so that we could begin to create a path, a journey, a map to get them to a place of having higher energy.
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Dr. Jenny
And I once again came out of that 150%.
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Synergee
So listen, you said a lot that I want to make sure we don’t gloss over. And you said we’re more than a body. Yeah, right. Or more than a body. So you labeled those body spirit and
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Synergee
physical, mental, emotional and energy is how I do it. There are different ways and different systems to look at that.
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Synergee
And I see the energy bodies. People give different names to that energy body. And some people think of that as being a very woowoo thing. But actually we have science that actually kind of things that you can take a picture of now, like it actually is really there. And we influence each other a lot by that energy body.
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Synergee
And, and they’re the people that you feel like, oh my God, that they’re like, energy sucks. Like, I would walk into a room and like, fall through. I just feel tired around them. And then the opposite of the people that you feel uplifted by and around and some it’s sometimes it has to do with that energy body can also have to do with the emotional body.
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Synergee
Yeah, yeah. So you say the energy body and the motion body are separate.
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Dr. Jenny
I do, I do, I mean they’re very they’re, they’re all there obviously it’s all intertwined. But you, there’s like colors of a rainbow right. There are those colors in between the colors. Right. And so I think that there are those layers between the layers.
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Dr. Jenny
And yet I do, I do, I do see them as differently. And the reason I do is because I think that
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Dr. Jenny
I’ve certainly seen in my own experience of my journey of being more aware of, of this being and in my healing. I feel like, you know, we’re trained in medicine about the physical body, and that’s a perfect medicine.
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Dr. Jenny
There was a sign about the physical, mental, and emotional mind. Body spirit was part of our symbol. They didn’t really teach us, teach us a lot about the spirit, but we had this understanding that there is this life force and it’s this thing called veto. And when you trigger that void in us, amazing things can happen. And a lot of our job as a natural path physician is to figure out what’s the obstacle to care in that body.
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Synergee
We know the body wants to be well, what’s the obstacle to cure? How do you remove that obstacle? You know, I know both of you are deep into healthy nutrition and food. It’s huge. Like, you know, if you’re eating
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Synergee
a standard American diet, that’s an obstacle to cure for chronic disease. You’re right there. Like, yes. Yeah. And what is it that we can do?
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Synergee
How can we activate that, that life force in that body?
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Dr. Jenny
Yeah, that, that, that energy body. But it’s so intertwined because you also look at that autonomic nervous system, which is part of the physical body. And we know that a lot of us get stuck in that sympathetic stress mode. And it’s impossible for a body to heal when it’s in that state.
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Dr. Jenny
So you want to get into that parasympathetic rest and digest state and and that’s and and and getting into that state allows that natural beauty healing force to trigger and to turn on.
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Synergee
I wanted to go back to that because even for me as a practitioner, walking through my own healing journey, I spent a lot of time investing in the physical, right, the lab testing all of the things to do, all of the things to not to do.
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Synergee
But it wasn’t really until I started tapping into the limbic system, healings and the synaptic work, right, that I saw things come together and things to be more sustained and more predictable for me. Let’s just put it that way. Yeah,
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Dr. Jenny
yeah, yeah, I had the same journey. And so when I had that, that sunken crash and those five things, it was really interesting because I actually watched a summit on fatigue way back.
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Dr. Jenny
This is, this is I’m we’re talking like 2014. And, I watched the fatigue on summit and got introduced to the limbic brain dysfunction and did a bunch of research on it. And there wasn’t a ton back then, but I reached, you know, researched all the stuff I could and learned about it. And it was I. And what I was noticing was that my patients were getting better, but I still had that ceiling of needing an energy budget.
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Dr. Jenny
And because I’d gotten 150% better before, I wasn’t willing to settle for what I called Bayesian. I’m sorry if anybody
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Dr. Jenny
loves the color beige, but I’m like, not a beige girl. Like, I don’t like a beige life. I want an exciting, passionate up and down, you know, like doing things kind of life. Like, I don’t want to be stuck in this little energy box.
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Dr. Jenny
Like I have to protect myself all the time. And so I wanted to break out of that. And I was doing so much better. I had a pretty decent life, but I knew I was still had that limit,
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Dr. Jenny
and I remember walking with a friend, another doctor friend of mine, saying, I know what I need to do.
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Dr. Jenny
I need to go farther in and deeper and so I can help other people go further. And I knew I had to do that limbic retraining, but I literally was resistant to doing it for a year. And this is what the limbic brain can do in terms of protecting you
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Dr. Jenny
from wanting to change where you are in your emotional state.
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Dr. Jenny
So it was interesting.
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Synergee
I just want to say that again because, you know, I was just on a consult call today with someone who is profoundly benefiting from working on the limbic system right now, but was so resistant for so long.
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Synergee
Yeah. And is now being like, I wish I would have, but it’s the journey that she had to go on to get to that place.
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Synergee
Yeah. So if anybody’s listening today because we have done we, you know, had a podcast and talked about the limbic system and had, you know, Doctor Gupta on here too. And everybody has kind of that different, way of or a system to which they recommend, you know, using for this, for limbic retraining is just
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Synergee
we got to do something right that doesn’t wait, don’t wait.
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Synergee
It sounds like I mean, that’s what most people say
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Synergee
It’s part of us, right? Like she said, it’s part of you. It is part of your being. And if we’re not nurturing that part of our being, it can be an obstacle for healing. Right. And I don’t think most people understand that.
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Synergee
Yeah, I think one of the things is that we’re all dealing with so much stress in the world right now.
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Synergee
We’re dealing with chemical stress, environmental stress. We’re dealing with whatever underlying stuff is getting triggered in your body. You know, the more we live in this body, the more stuff that can come impact on us. Yeah. Yeah. Right.
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Synergee
And there’s just a lot happening on the planet right now that is very stressful and can easily trigger us in different ways.
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Synergee
And so, frankly, I feel like every single person needs to have some kind of practice where they’re working on getting their nervous system more regulated in calming themselves into a place of knowing that they’re safe and all that limbic retraining insula. I mean, people are retraining. It’s just re Re Re organizing your brain and your body to realize that it’s okay, you’re safe.
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Dr. Jenny
Like, you know, it’s like that big. You know, they talk about the limbic brain being like a three year old. And so you think about a three year old who’s either tantrum means or really scared or is really insistent about wanting something. But, you know, it’s not the best choice for them to have that candy bar. And, you know, you just think of it like a three year old.
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Dr. Jenny
What would you do with the three year old? You know, it’s the same thing. It’s just kind of like, I see you,
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Dr. Jenny
I love you, and let’s do this thing over here instead. Like, let’s let’s get distracted and be happy with the butterfly or let’s, let’s cuddle. Let’s go. Let’s move our bodies. Let’s do something else.
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Dr. Jenny
Until we start laughing and smiling and then we know we’re safe, right. You know. Okay.
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Synergee
Yeah, I’ve seen most recently, you know, as we have dealt with, you know, just so much tragedy in our world today is, is the, is those who are, you know, quick they’re getting into that place of deep emotional, call where you want, but it’s just depression, sadness stuff.
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Synergee
And, you know, they’re becoming less and less and less adaptable and, you know, you watch it, you know, it saddens my heart to see it. I mean, those events create and should create sadness. Absolutely. But what’s paralyzation. Right? Right. Yeah. And that’s what it’s doing in many cases for many.
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Dr. Jenny
Yeah. Yeah, yeah I agree.
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Dr. Jenny
And I think that for some people, on and part of the healing journey for some of us at times is to turn off the news or turn down the news and go on a news diet because the news is programmed to trigger us into a fear state. It’s what it does so that we stay attentive and watch it.
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Dr. Jenny
And often a news fast is one of the healthiest things you can do for your life. Now, that said, there’s so much happening that it sort of feels like, oh, but I want to be sure. I kind of know what’s going on a little bit. So there are ways of doing that in terms of having other people keep a lookout for you or having budgeting your news to like, you know, no news before noon.
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Dr. Jenny
And then at noon I have a new snack, and then that’s it. And then I do something, and I do something really happy before the news and really happy or something after the news. And maybe what I call happiness is a misstatement. Maybe it should be. I emote, you know, like I grieve, I cry, I feel my anger, I, I work with my fear, you know, whatever it is that the thing is that, you know what I really see over and over again is that
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Synergee
Right now we’re as a people, we have this understanding what’s happening all around the world.
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Synergee
And yet we are powerless to do much about it. And this is really hard on the nervous system. We’re really wired to handle the emergency in front of us, or maybe the next village over. So we’re really meant to be like, oh, there’s a fire in the barn, my neighbor’s barn’s on fire.
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Synergee
I’m going to, you know, go help and put that fire out.
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Dr. Jenny
And then you get to go through the complete activation of your stress, go through the physical expression of it, have a resolution, calm down, you know, and reconnect and then go back to your life. And instead we get bombarded over and over again. Oh, there’s this terrible thing over here in the world. There’s another thing here, there’s another thing here, there’s another thing here.
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Dr. Jenny
And yet there’s so far away and so out of touch. We can’t do anything except sit here and frickin worry and feel bad. And it’s like it’s so hard for our nervous system. So learning how to move those feelings through your body for whatever works for you is really, really helpful. And again, this is something that’s great to teach our children because it’s a tool.
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Synergee
It can be part of the toolkit.
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Dr. Jenny
I’m all about the toolkit, like what’s in your toolkit so that you can pull out so you can be more resourceful or more resilient or maybe, Kelly said, more resilient. Yes,
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Synergee
Well, we say that all the time. Like what is in your toolkit? You know, it’s just I ask, you know, sometimes we have lots of really good tools in there because sometimes we don’t have good tools in there.
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Synergee
Right. Or any tools in there. Right. Sometimes we have plenty of tools in there, but we forget how to use them or we even forget that they’re there. Exactly. So we need to be reminded of that too. So I also love what you said, about allowing those emotions to go through us. It’s not deflecting them and saying, you know, don’t have those emotions.
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Synergee
You’re saying move them through you because that’s healing.
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Synergee
So I want to go back to your Google search, right. Your Google search was your Google search right when you were feeling so horrible? Yeah. So let’s talk about fatigue because I think so many people are putting in that Google search. Right? I feel terrible, I feel fatigued, I feel stuck.
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Synergee
What are we going to do about it? Right. And Google’s going to tell you all kinds of things to do about it. And there are a lot of people there to sell you a lot of things to do about it. But I think if we could kind of walk through how you have framed out through all of your research that you did when you were not well, when your patients were not well, you know, you took the time to dig in and research and figure out, like, what are those different elements that make fatigue so, so, impactful for someone?
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Dr. Jenny
Yeah, yeah. So when someone there are different things we need to look at, and I’m just going to kind of lay out a couple of different things here. So one is it’s really important to look at somebody when somebody if you’re feeling exhausted, you know one thing to look at your health foundations. And I know both of you know all about this kind of stuff.
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Dr. Jenny
And probably I’ve talked about it a lot. So I’m just going to kind of and I’m sure many of you listening know about these things too, but I’m just going to reiterate a little bit about this and the reason why is because they’re just not sexy. And so because they’re not sexy and because you’ve heard it before and you kind of know it, it’s easy to just be like, oh yeah, whatever, and not really give it the attention and realize that this is actually incredible power that we all have at our fingertips when we’re, you know, kind of reset ourselves and go, okay, I need to attend to this.
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Dr. Jenny
So the health foundations I’m always listening for, and I usually am with a patient or a client, I’m going to choose one that we’re going to focus on initially, because I find that if you try to do everything at once, it’s too much. So it’s like working on a health foundation. So is it number one, digestion, detoxification or is it number two, rhythm and sleep or is it number three mindset and spirit or is it number four movement and breath, or is it number five that came in to this little system I created during the pandemic called connection, which is connection with yourself, connection with your higher self, connection with others, community.
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Dr. Jenny
We are social creatures and we need that connection so that those are what I call the health foundations. And literally like a foundation for a building. The deeper and stronger they are, the deeper the more resilient you can be. You know, it’s like me and I look at those when a 7-Eleven or Dairy Queen gets removed from a parking lot here, there’s just a parking lot underneath.
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Dr. Jenny
There’s no foundation. Whereas you go to New York City in those big buildings, they have huge, huge, huge foundations. So the stronger your foundation, the more resilient you can be. And often if you’ve been on a path of
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Dr. Jenny
healing and you’re plateauing or you feel like you’re dipping, sometimes it can be good to just review where am I here?
00;24;00;17 – 00;24;11;00
Dr. Jenny
Maybe I worked a lot on my digestion detoxification, and that’s actually pretty good. But maybe there’s one of these other things that if I focused on it, it could really help me.
00;24;11;02 – 00;24;21;13
Dr. Jenny
And I find one of the insidious ones is that mindset piece, because often we’re still playing old tapes that we internalized as a child of I’m not okay, I’m not good enough.
00;24;21;13 – 00;24;34;20
Dr. Jenny
I’m bad, I’m bad. If I’m tired, I’m bad if I’m not productive, I’m, you know, whatever all those things are. And so that can be one that can be one of the most insidious kind of ones in there that you don’t even realize it’s there until you really pay attention to it.
00;24;37;10 – 00;24;45;13
Synergee
Yeah, I think in our culture, a lot of times we’re just taught to suck it up, you know, in the mindset piece, just come on, get over it.
00;24;45;13 – 00;24;59;18
Synergee
It’s over. It happened yesterday. Get over it. Let’s move, let’s go. We got things to do and I’ve been guilty of that too. Right. Treating myself that way. What’s up? Treating my stuff that way. Like talking to myself that way. Like get over it. Let’s do it. Like,
00;24;59;21 – 00;25;00;04
Synergee
yeah.
00;25;00;06 – 00;25;19;21
Dr. Jenny
Yeah exactly. And there is a place where that kind of will and you know, motivation and kind of pick yourself up has its value. And there’s also a place where it doesn’t. And sort of learning how to be knowing that part of you, it’s a good time to bring that part of you in.
00;25;19;24 – 00;25;23;23
Dr. Jenny
Like kind of like, or when it’s not. Yeah,
00;25;23;26 – 00;25;37;04
Synergee
yeah. In our listeners, I love that you went back to the foundation because our listeners are very well versed in the terminology of foundation because the reality is, is that, you know, well, I live in Florida, right? So we’re always talking about, you know, the storms are going to come.
00;25;37;04 – 00;25;52;15
Synergee
It’s not if they come, they’re going to come. Right. And you need to have an unshakable foundation. And that reassessment is very important on a regular basis. So I think that’s a critical piece that we do forget. Yeah. Or to forget.
00;25;52;18 – 00;26;01;25
Synergee
And I also think it’s one of those where we were sort of talking a little bit beforehand about before we went live around people dealing with chronic disease and how that complex chronic disease can almost become the grit that shines the pearl.
00;26;07;03 – 00;26;25;17
Synergee
And it can become that challenge that when you embody that as part of your journey and your life and you really own it, it’s amazing how many beautiful things can come out of it. And the truth is that having some kind of condition or something, you have to pay extra attention to, means that you have to pay extra attention to these health foundations.
00;26;25;17 – 00;26;40;13
Synergee
And these health foundations are the exact same things that all the longevity experts talk about. It’s also the exact same things that high performers, pro athletes, pro entertainers literally have teams that help them with their digestion,
00;26;40;13 – 00;26;46;09
Synergee
detoxification, with their movement, with their breathing, with their mindset. They’ve got coaches for this stuff.
00;26;46;12 – 00;26;48;09
Synergee
It’s like, and they’re beginning to talk about it.
00;26;48;09 – 00;26;58;06
Synergee
I mean, I just heard Rene Bouchard the other day and you know, and then I thought about Joyce Meyer, you know, from the you know, I hear about a lot of these people to your point that are talking about it now because they’re doing it,
00;26;58;06 – 00;27;06;06
Synergee
but they have teams of people helping them do it. Exactly, exactly. So, so whenever you think that that’s not important, that just this time it doesn’t matter.
00;27;06;06 – 00;27;09;25
Synergee
Just remember like how much this is, this is where we really have power to
00;27;09;28 – 00;27;27;16
Synergee
impact our health. So those are the health foundations. And then I’m listening out for the root causes. And these are the root causes that I mapped out during that second time. I had the crash. And this is looking at is has there been a the first one is the gateway root cause it’s that hormonal triangle.
00;27;27;16 – 00;27;46;08
Synergee
It’s the adrenal, thyroid, ovary for, for women and testes for male. And that that triangle is like a symphony. And they like to stay in tune with each other. And if one gets out of tune, the others get out of tune to try to match it and to try to take care of it and bring it kind of into balance.
00;27;46;08 – 00;28;05;19
Synergee
And that I call it gateway root cause, because we are so dependent on the stress expressed in this culture where we push ourselves, a lot of us, you know, are like me. They’re moms and professionals, and we work and we go and we want to be really good at what we do, and we just ignore the signs that we need to take a break or we need to recharge or we need to heal.
00;28;05;21 – 00;28;29;20
Synergee
And so this is one of those gateway root causes that can be a huge setup, so that your body becomes vulnerable to some of the other root causes. But this is one of the first ones I’m kind of listening for and testing for and seeing if it’s going on with somebody, and partly because it can be really quite easily addressed through lifestyle and some really lovely herbs and things like that.
00;28;29;20 – 00;28;39;27
Dr. Jenny
So we can get ourselves rebalanced and people can start feeling better within a few weeks if we, if we address this, this root cause. And so it’s a really great one to start with.
00;28;40;00 – 00;28;48;04
Dr. Jenny
The second one is looking to see if there’s been any kind of viral reactivation or viral overload. Of course, in this world of long Covid.
00;28;48;04 – 00;29;06;05
Dr. Jenny
And part of my story was at the beginning of the pandemic, I was like, people like in 2020, spring of 2020, I gave a presentation, we’re going to have an uptick and we’re going to have the pandemic of chronic fatigue myalgic encephalomyelitis people because viruses and stress together, this does not look good.
00;29;06;08 – 00;29;08;14
Synergee
So, you know, it’s been part of the thing.
00;29;08;14 – 00;29;30;22
Dr. Jenny
And I avoided it. And then I did actually kick on a relapse for me. So I’ve been experiencing that too, which has been really interesting. But anyway, the second one is viruses. We have this microbiome of all these other critters in us. We also have a virus. We have viruses that are in us and they lay dormant until it’s a time when they can start to replicate.
00;29;30;22 – 00;29;58;11
Dr. Jenny
And they’re super opportunistic. So when you’re stressed out, when you have a motor vehicle accident, when you go through a divorce, when you have a bunch of exams, when your kid keeps you up for a couple years, it’s really easy for those viruses to go, woo hoo! Let’s have a party! And they start replicating and they take over your cells, and they literally alter the energy production in your cells so that inside your mitochondria and suck your energy away.
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00;29;59;01 – 00;30;08;08
Dr. Jenny
And they do things and they can protect themselves and hide. So your immune system can’t see it. So they can stay there for a very long time. And this is a very, very common thing.
00;30;08;11 – 00;30;21;28
Dr. Jenny
And what we’ve seen in some, not all, but many people with long Covid is that the Covid kicked up a latent infection in them, an Epstein-Barr infection, a cytomegalovirus, a herpes six infection.
00;30;21;28 – 00;30;36;24
Dr. Jenny
One of those are those are some of the typical ones that we see. And by addressing these people can start to really reclaim that energy back for their body and get the virus low viral load down. The third one is looking at mitochondrial function.
00;30;36;27 – 00;30;41;19
Dr. Jenny
Your mitochondria are these lovely little powerhouses inside the cells. I’m sure you’ve talked a lot about it here.
00;30;41;21 – 00;30;55;25
Synergee
Yes, and I love mitochondria. I love to geek out on mitochondria. And just to say they are amazing, super complex little things. They’re also so vulnerable. They’re just these little, little sweet little things. And
00;30;55;27 – 00;31;07;23
Synergee
they get really impacted by the viruses and by toxins and things like that. And one of the ways that you can tell if your mitochondria are impacted is you have this thing called post exertional malaise.
00;31;07;26 – 00;31;36;23
Synergee
Post exertional malaise is when you do more than you usually do and you pay for it. So this can be I, did the dishes and the laundry and now I’m in bed. That can be a severe case. Yeah, I had a fibromyalgia patient who was like that for ten days in bed. If she did the dishes in the laundry on the same day, or it could be like one of my trainers, she would walk 45 minutes, but if she walked an hour and a half, she would be exhausted for three days.
00;31;36;25 – 00;31;55;07
Synergee
And it can also be delayed. A lot of us. I had this really weird thing that happened when I got long Covid is that my post exertional malaise would show up 3 or 4 days later, and we’re seeing that a lot with people with long Covid, and it seems to be an altered, energy production system inside the mitochondria that we’re trying to figure out what it’s doing.
00;31;55;07 – 00;31;55;21
Synergee
But we have some theories. Yeah. And what you’re saying is they do the activity fine. They feel fine for a few days, and all of a sudden they crash out. Yeah, I’m seeing that too.
00;32;03;14 – 00;32;14;14
Dr. Jenny
Yeah. Which is super challenging. And it’s hard because as one of my clients said, it’s post exertional malaise. So how do you know how much you can do today and not pay for it.
00;32;15;11 – 00;32;33;29
Dr. Jenny
You know, and we’re talking about the limbic amygdala insula brain. You can see how that starts to trigger that part of the brain because you’re like, oh no, if I go to my kid, if the kid’s birthday party and then I do this other thing for work, like what’s going to happen next week when I have that other thing I’m supposed to do?
00;32;35;25 – 00;32;39;03
Dr. Jenny
It can really begin to play tricks in your head.
00;32;39;03 – 00;32;49;04
Dr. Jenny
Makes pacing very difficult. Yeah. It makes pacing your activities very difficult. If you’re used to pacing because of chronic illness and then this happens. It can make it really challenging. Yeah.
00;32;49;04 – 00;32;57;12
Dr. Jenny
Yeah. It makes it a little more challenging to tease out and yet the pacing is still important to get to a healing state.
00;32;58;19 – 00;33;10;14
Dr. Jenny
And yet, it’s that nuanced thing of pacing without being in the fear response, without being in that hypervigilant state, which is tricky. And I get we’re talking about a lot here. I’m assuming you don’t. Yeah, yeah.
00;33;10;17 – 00;33;27;21
Synergee
So I have a question for you. I was just curious if there are wearable devices or metrics in the way of diagnostic testing that might give some insight to your client of how much they can push.
00;33;29;19 – 00;33;48;02
Synergee
Are you recommending any of those things? I think the HRV can be really great. So using a wearable heavy I have an aura ring on. I always talk about like everything comes where you get to go, where we’re all going to be on the spaceship together, right? It’s like we’ll be in good company.
00;33;48;04 – 00;33;55;07
Synergee
I think this can be really great to monitor what’s happening and as a piece of information.
00;33;55;12 – 00;34;17;20
Dr. Jenny
Sure. Because I think what it’s picking up is complex. And, you know, it’s a lot to go into all the details behind that, but it is a piece. And there are different types of ways of measuring your HRV. But the HRV, I think, is I think it’s the easiest, most accessible tool we have because and especially if you can start to see a pattern of what you’re doing, some of this is just you have to kind of map out a pattern of what happens.
00;34;17;20 – 00;34;29;05
Dr. Jenny
I honestly was in denial of my post exhaustion malaise for a while, and then I had to get honest with myself and realize like, yeah, if I do all of those things, if I go paddleboarding, kayaking, hiking. Yes. And I think some of the people who have listened to us before have heard us maybe say the push crash syndrome or talking about crash.
00;34;38;03 – 00;34;53;29
Dr. Jenny
So is that what you’re referring to? Is that that’s definitely the push crash cycle is definitely there. And just to kind of weave in some of what we’ve already talked about around the mindset piece and around this limbic brain piece, which we’ll get to in just a second with the root causes.
00;34;54;01 – 00;34;56;12
Dr. Jenny
Is that what I have personally found?
00;34;56;14 – 00;35;14;26
Dr. Jenny
And for myself and what I teach those that I work with to do, and they’ve also found this to be very helpful, is the more that I can be in a state of what the heart math calls heart brain coherence, which is a place where I’m doing vagal tone type of breathing. I’m in a calmer state. I’m feeling safe.
00;35;14;26 – 00;35;37;01
Dr. Jenny
All the different things that we would talk about, however you practice this is, I can do much more exertion in that state, and I and it does not. And I don’t have the energy deficit in the same way, which I find really interesting, as opposed to if I’m in a stressed out state when I’m having that activity, it’s much worse.
00;35;39;06 – 00;35;52;22
Synergee
So do you trust your data where it shows restored on your aura data? So it shows stress response during the day. So daytime stress response where it shows restored. Would you consider that coherence?
00;35;52;25 – 00;36;00;13
Dr. Jenny
Do I consider that coherence? I don’t. I don’t think I feel like I know enough to answer that accurately and intelligently.
00;36;00;15 – 00;36;22;12
Synergee
Heart math has tools that I have that I’ve used on and off, and they show you when you’re in coherence. And so I’ve come to understand what it feels like in my body when I’m in coherence. And so that’s that. I’ve used that biofeedback tool to train myself to recognize what it feels like, and that’s what I use.
00;36;22;12 – 00;36;24;00
Dr. Jenny
I’ve never looked at the two together, which would be kind of interesting. So I just don’t feel like I can accurately answer.
00;36;29;02 – 00;36;37;10
Synergee
So for our listeners, Heart Math is a platform and they have a device. They have several devices, but one of them is something that you can use at home, and it teaches you how to deep breathe.
00;36;39;22 – 00;36;58;13
Synergee
You can actually watch your breath and watch when your heart rate and your breath are incoherent. So she’s talking about coherence and coherence as a parasympathetic healing state. And she has trained herself to recognize her body when her body is in that coherent state, which I think is phenomenal because so much we’re tuning out, we’re not tuning in.
00;36;58;16 – 00;37;02;06
Dr. Jenny
And so that’s interesting. I love that. Yeah.
00;37;02;08 – 00;37;14;25
Synergee
And a little bit more of the heart math pieces. They’ve done a lot of studying of this energy body. And so a lot of what we know in terms of peer reviewed science around the energy body, heart math is actually invested a lot in this. And
00;37;14;28 – 00;37;25;12
Synergee
They’ve come to realize that there’s actually a brain in the heart and there’s a field out, out in front of us that actually knows things before the brain knows they’ve done tests.
00;37;25;16 – 00;38;00;16
Dr. Jenny
In really interesting tests, you can read their documents on their website. They’re all free. You just download them. And what they found is this heart brain coherence. It’s the sympathetic parasympathetic system being engaged. Yes. But it’s also this literally it’s an energy flow between this energy center in the brain and the energy center in the heart. And they studied what the pattern looks like when people are in that flow and that it’s like being in the you know, I’ve heard athletes talk about I’m in the flow state or when you’ve been really productive and things are just moving, even if it’s when you’ve got like two kids under the age of five that you’re feeding and you’re doing the dishes and cooking like you’re just like, yeah, I’m in it. Like I got link and I’m in the flow, you know, like.
00;38;08;08 – 00;38;13;16
Synergee
So I want to I want to go back to something you said earlier, much earlier, but I caught it
00;38;13;18 – 00;38;28;19
Synergee
and it was where you were, you were not wanting to admit that you weren’t fit. Right. And I think that so many of us struggle with that right when our body is going down and we’re just like, no, I’m going to I’ve got this, like, I can do this.
00;38;28;22 – 00;38;35;09
Synergee
So what took you from that denial place of not wanting to see it, to being able to recognize coherence?
00;38;35;11 – 00;38;41;01
Dr. Jenny
Yeah, I guess I’m not sure, because I think I’ve been in that denial state a couple times and a couple times in the story that I’ve told you so far.
00;38;41;01 – 00;39;00;22
Dr. Jenny
I’ve been there the first time that I really remember being in denial and realizing how easy it is to be in denial the second time I crash, because I’d never been so fit in my life as I was right before I crashed like I was. I was lifting weights. I loved it, I’d never been, I’d never I, you know, I got out of gym every time I could as a kid.
00;39;00;22 – 00;39;20;10
Dr. Jenny
Like I hated gym as a and in grade school, like I didn’t want to run across the field. I wanted to climb a tree and read a book. And so I was. And so for me to really love working out and feel the power of my body was just amazing. And I didn’t want to lose that. I came back from a trip and, you know, the injured knee.
00;39;20;10 – 00;39;35;08
Dr. Jenny
I was already in pain. And I remember waking up in the morning and whereas I had been waking up with this like I can’t wait to run up the mountain I live on, I was waking up and I look over at my dresser and be like, I do not know how I’m going to get through this day, you know?
00;39;35;08 – 00;40;06;00
Dr. Jenny
It’s just like, you know, I’ve got like 15 patients and, you know, I, I don’t know how I’m going to do this. And that was my first waking thought, and I was in denial of what was happening to my body. I was in denial that I was relapsing back into chronic fatigue. And I think any relapse, no matter what it is an addiction, relationship stuff, anything that you’re relapsing, there is this normal phase of denial of like, no, I got it, I’m handle, it’s not that bad.
00;40;06;03 – 00;40;10;14
Dr. Jenny
And that that was that was big for me to when I, when I went back I was like oh
00;40;10;17 – 00;40;13;05
Synergee
I love that. And I think that’s such a common story.
00;40;13;05 – 00;40;19;23
Synergee
Right. And so I think that question comes into bridging that gap from denial to taking care of yourself in a different way, because you are taking care of yourself in a lot of good ways. Right? You’re working out. But how did it look differently from moving beyond that?
00;40;29;13 – 00;40;42;10
Dr. Jenny
Yeah, I was doing all the right things. I was getting up at five and meditating and going and working out into another stuff and making good food so that me and my kid and we, we all have great food to eat all day. I was doing all those things and it was exhausting me.
00;40;42;13 – 00;41;04;14
Dr. Jenny
I think that but and honestly, I think that the difference between then and now, which is quite a bit of time because we’re talking that was, you know, like again, 2014. And so how much have I learned about myself and grown and healed? And what has my experience of long Covid brought me? Like every time something happens, there’s an opportunity, like I said, and that’s been my journey too.
00;41;04;16 – 00;41;25;14
Dr. Jenny
And this has allowed me to go deeper into a deeper level of self-love in a way that I didn’t even know I was missing or know how to do. Yeah. And it was. And so I’ve been dealing with, I’ve been a what, become conscious of some very deep unconscious patterning that when I did the limbic emotional retraining.
00;41;25;17 – 00;41;38;19
Dr. Jenny
I didn’t, it’s not like I coded over it, but it wasn’t really there was like a whole other level that I got that now I’m working on that I really am glad to have.
00;41;38;21 – 00;41;41;29
Dr. Jenny
And so this person now
00;41;42;01 – 00;42;02;06
Dr. Jenny
I would recognize sooner, I think, what was going on there, because I would know what love feels like for me rather than this identity of being the person that is fit and strong and works out and does everything right. You know, instead of just being like, you know what? Today the body just needs this, you know?
00;42;02;06 – 00;42;08;12
Synergee
Or my spirit needs this. Yeah. So how do I get that in, you know, how do I make that happen?
00;42;08;14 – 00;42;26;19
Dr. Jenny
As I sit here and listen to all of this, one of the things that I hear, I feel like I hear is that, and I can relate to this story because of just part of my journey of being CrossFit and then nearly died in Peru.
00;42;26;21 – 00;42;36;26
Dr. Jenny
So. And my friend here, being there with me to see all of this happen, but I feel like there’s such a significant amount of grief. I think we think about grief as losing
00;42;36;28 – 00;42;48;11
Dr. Jenny
someone. Yes, but but when we lose something that is so important to us, perhaps in my story, I mean, my exercise was a way of keeping my weight off because
00;42;48;11 – 00;42;49;21
Dr. Jenny
I was that bigger kid.
00;42;49;25 – 00;43;09;28
Dr. Jenny
Yeah. So, you know, when I lost the ability to be able to work out, I mean, it was a grieving process. And then I hear you walking through that, almost like Kubler-Ross stages of grief. Right? The denial and the anger and the resistance that happens. Right. You have to get to that place of acceptance rate, right?
00;43;10;05 – 00;43;29;17
Synergee
This is how it is. And so I think we don’t think about grief for loss of foods, like when we walk a patient through our client, through, you know, food intolerance, pain for the foods that, I mean, that’s great grieving that it’s sometimes not doing. It’s the social peace of the family, you know. But that’s what I kept going back to, is you were sharing your story.
00;43;29;17 – 00;43;34;20
Synergee
I’m just sitting here listening, and that’s what I. That’s what resonated with me.
00;43;34;23 – 00;43;47;25
Dr. Jenny
I think that’s really a good point to bring out, because I think it’s true. And I used to do food sensitivity testing in my clinic. And so I totally think the food grief thing is real. It depends on what it is. It’s real. And I remember when I gave up coffee, it was like, I love the ritual.
00;43;47;25 – 00;43;49;25
Dr. Jenny
Like I loved it, you know.
00;43;49;27 – 00;44;19;24
Dr. Jenny
But deeper than that, when you are, when you’re dealing with an illness that does take you away from doing those things that you love, for whatever reason, there is a grieving process. And I think it’s another one of those that the more, the sooner you’re willing to acknowledge that’s what you’re going through, then the sooner you can give yourself the support to move through that, to get to a place where you can then take action with what is now, which is literally the opening in the clouds.
00;44;19;24 – 00;44;37;02
Dr. Jenny
It’s like my dad used to fly a little airplane, and I remember him saying, I’m looking for the holes. It’s looking for the holes in the cloud. It’s kind of like, where’s that little hole between the dark clouds that if you just kind of, like, find it and go through, then it’s like, wow, there’s like all this blue sky and sunshine and that kind of thing.
00;44;37;02 – 00;44;51;27
Dr. Jenny
But I think it’s true. But I also think it’s important for us to remember that grief is not linear. And there are all those stages, and you can literally go through each one of those stages in a minute and, you know, like you can be angry. Yes.
00;44;51;29 – 00;44;55;25
Dr. Jenny
And do not. I mean, it’s like you can cycle in grief and that’s normal.
00;44;55;25 – 00;44;59;22
Synergee
So I just want to say that too.
00;44;59;25 – 00;45;03;10
Synergee
I’m glad you brought that up.
00;45;06;05 – 00;45;22;17
Synergee
Now, I just appreciate you being so vulnerable and sharing your story because I think the story is going to resonate with lots and lots of our listeners. And oftentimes we’re looking at healing through the lens of, I want to be done. You know, I just want to be tired. I just want the finish line.
00;45;22;17 – 00;45;45;22
Synergee
Right. And there truly, you know, yes, you can be much better 100% and you can maybe even get to 150% better. Right? But we don’t want to be the mindset of being done because there’s richness in the growth that happens. All the different layers that you’ve been through and the opportunities that you’ve had to know yourself and love yourself in a very different way, that’s really special.
00;45;45;24 – 00;45;52;06
Synergee
And I just wanted them to hear that. And for me to hear that too, because it’s inspirational even for me and Lori.
00;45;52;12 – 00;45;59;15
Dr. Jenny
Thank you. That’s great. Yeah. I really do see it as a journey. I really do see it as a journey up that mountain. What do you think? I want to get to the top of the mountain.
00;45;59;15 – 00;46;16;28
Dr. Jenny
And there are places where you’re in the foothills and it feels like, oh, my gosh, I’ve been walking for so long. I’m interested in the trees and I can’t see anything, and am I ever going to get there? And then you get to that meadow and you’re like, wow, this meadow is so beautiful. You know, it’s a really beautiful place, and there’s just a whole part of the journey of this.
00;46;16;28 – 00;46;20;01
Dr. Jenny
And and again, when you embrace it, it’s really there. I just want to
00;46;20;03 – 00;46;27;25
Dr. Jenny
before I know we’re running out of time and I want to get to that. We didn’t even get to the other root cause. It’s just the way I look at it. So the so the fourth root cause is
00;46;27;26 – 00;46;31;28
Dr. Jenny
looking at toxins, which are all the things that we’re all in contact
00;46;31;28 – 00;46;33;07
Dr. Jenny
with, we all have in our body.
00;46;33;07 – 00;46;50;28
Dr. Jenny
And it’s easy to get scared and freaked out and want to stick your head in the sand, which is an option, but it can also just be an understanding that doing things that are daily detoxing, and sometimes some of us need to do deeper detox when we’re ready to. Too many people do it too soon, but heavy metals can be a huge thing.
00;46;50;28 – 00;47;13;13
Dr. Jenny
My getting well that first time, getting my 20 mercury amalgams out of my mouth and doing a detox night and day, getting that mercury out and moldy mycotoxins. I know that mycotoxins are huge, and they just really can trigger that muscle activation. And many of us, especially with a long Covid piece, the Covid piece in the mouth.
00;47;13;13 – 00;47;38;22
Dr. Jenny
So they’re really close together. So the toxins are huge and the phosphates are altering the mitochondria. And so there’s a lot of places here to look at the toxins. And then the fifth is what we’ve already talked about, which is that limbic amygdala is an emotional brain piece that’s in the subconscious mind and is attached to that vagus nerve that connects with all the different organs and even communicates with the mitochondria.
00;47;38;27 – 00;47;49;03
Dr. Jenny
So there’s become all of these different pathways between these root causes, which is why people often have one, two, three, or even all five of them. Not everyone, but some do.
00;47;49;05 – 00;48;05;15
Dr. Jenny
And really, the thing is to figure out which one is the root under the root. Like if we really focus on this one, we may be addressing a couple of them, but if we really focus on this one, how is that going to free up the body to have more energy, more vitality, to begin to address these other places?
00;48;05;18 – 00;48;30;17
Synergee
Fatigue is so complex, right? But when you think of it through the framework of what you did, yeah, it makes it easier to get excited about the potential of true healing. Yeah. And so, you know, I think those frameworks are so important for people to hear, too, is that they’re not, there’s a lot of practitioners out there that hear about fatigue.
00;48;30;17 – 00;48;38;17
Synergee
And, you know, they just have one way of doing things. Do this diet. Yeah, right. Do this. And it’s too complex for that. Yeah.
00;48;38;19 – 00;48;54;11
Dr. Jenny
It is too complex. I really everybody we are all snowflakes. We’re all unique. And even though you may have the diagnosis of long Covid next to somebody else who has a diagnosis of long Covid, how your body triggered that long Covid pattern is unique to each of you.
00;48;54;11 – 00;49;15;19
Dr. Jenny
So understanding what happened beforehand that was the trigger for that body is part of the clue to how you get well. And what did that Covid virus do to you? Did it. Did it, you know, did it go into your vascular system? It did for a lot of people and created problems there, you know, has it triggered another viral infection?
00;49;15;25 – 00;49;34;18
Dr. Jenny
You know, how is this going, is it in your mind? A lot of people’s minds are creating mitochondrial dysfunction. And people are feeling metabolically up, like holding on to weight in places they never did. What they eat doesn’t make sense for how you feel. Like just just backward, like literally backwards. So, you know, it’s unique. And so it does take some time.
00;49;34;18 – 00;49;50;00
Dr. Jenny
But it’s complex but it’s not impossible to work through as long as you’re willing to use an algorithm in a map and take the steps and just know, yeah, it’s going to take time, but I’m going to keep going. And that’s that’s the piece.
00;49;50;03 – 00;50;01;16
Synergee
Yeah. When you say take time, I know, everyone, when I think of laying out a realistic expectation for your clients, how do you have that discussion with them?
00;50;01;18 – 00;50;17;10
Dr. Jenny
So usually the people that depending on which health foundation in which root cause you’re, you’re working on, I mean I have a pretty good idea of a general window depending on the root cause that you’re working on that I can say usually within these windows we’re expecting to see something where we know if we’re on the right track.
00;50;19;01 – 00;50;37;18
Dr. Jenny
So, you know, like I said, with the with that hormone trigger triangle, if you’re working with the adrenal hypothalamic pituitary axis, I mean, two weeks is, you know, if, you know, if you’re on the right protocol in two weeks, other stuff takes more time. Some things are faster. I have a mitochondrial protocol. That’s five days. You’re going to know if you’re on the right track.
00;50;37;18 – 00;51;01;03
Dr. Jenny
That doesn’t mean you’re cured. It’s just, are we on the right track? But honestly, I bring people in. If people are working with me one on one, I usually bring people on for a year now, and I do a year long thing because I find that that year is really important for us to be able to look at all the things and for for you, you know, for you to know that you have that year to work on stuff.
00;51;01;03 – 00;51;16;07
Dr. Jenny
And it’s not a mad dash. This is a marathon. It’s not a sprint. And it also gives us time for when the other life things happen for that to become material for us to do, go deeper work. Like one of my clients, who I was working with for a year, had a cancer scare during the time, if we had just been seeing each other one offs, she would have gone down the cancer trail unsupported.
00;51;25;07 – 00;51;42;17
Dr. Jenny
Instead, she did the cancer trial and we realized how the inside of how much her emotional body was impacting our energy because she’d been doing much better. She crashed and it was all around the fear and all around the emotional state that she went into. And it was huge So we got to work through that.
00;51;42;17 – 00;51;56;23
Dr. Jenny
And instead of it becoming this whole, you know, this whole spin out, it became like, oh, look at that. Great. And so we just did a ton of work, you know, right then and there. Yeah. So she’s able to just keep going. And that’s what I see.
00;51;56;25 – 00;52;04;26
Synergee
So I love that you said that. And I just want to reiterate that because I think, you know, we talk Kelly and I talk about the long game instead of the short game wellness journey in Ridgeland MS.
00;52;04;27 – 00;52;19;21
Synergee
Like this is this is a long game. But I think sometimes people think particularly in the area of foundations, I’ve got that right. And it’s really not about having that or not having that. It’s applying that through the seasons of your life and the change
00;52;19;23 – 00;52;27;20
Synergee
That’s about so I love you say no longer, you know, I’m not going to I’m not going to, you know, it’s one year to at least a one year commitment.
00;52;27;23 – 00;52;41;13
Synergee
Yeah. Because that’s I mean, that’s how we can create sustainable change too. You’re teaching them to fish. You’re not giving them the fish. Exactly, exactly. And that’s what I say in the beginning when we first meet, because there’s this place
00;52;41;17 – 00;52;47;11
Synergee
where one of my goals obviously is to get them better, but the other is that they know themselves better.
00;52;47;11 – 00;53;09;05
Dr. Jenny
They have that toolkit. They know what their body responds to. So years and decades from now, we’re not even in contact or whatever. They have that. So they are empowered in their health care. Because to me, that’s the revolution. That’s the rope. That’s the health revolution we need is owning your own journey, owning your own health, owning your body and becoming empowered.
00;53;09;05 – 00;53;13;06
Dr. Jenny
And how do you take care of you, your unique, beautiful self?
00;53;13;09 – 00;53;27;02
Synergee
Yes. I just want to like, cheer, like, yay, you know, that’s you know, you get so excited because it’s so true. Like the or the CEO of their health. And it is an empowered movement and we are a part of it, and it is exciting to be a part of it.
00;53;27;05 – 00;53;33;00
Dr. Jenny
It’s like I, I feel blessed, I really do. I feel so blessed that I chose to do this and I get to do this work. I love it, right? Yeah. So we’re glad that we got an opportunity to meet you to hear about your work. And you know, obviously, I, I, I think there’s energy right here. You talked about energy.
00;53;43;18 – 00;53;48;20
Synergee
I can feel it. And I’m sure, you know, our viewership and people listening can hear it, too.
00;53;48;22 – 00;54;08;23
Synergee
And probably Casey in the background is listening to and feeling energized by it. But I, I’m so thankful that we’ve gotten an opportunity to talk with you today, and I would love for people to know a little bit more about how they could get in contact with you and, and maybe even connect with you should they want to learn more?
00;54;08;26 – 00;54;31;09
Dr. Jenny
Yeah, sure. Absolutely. The best thing is to go to my website. It’s Dr. Jenny to thank Incom. So that’s Dr. Jenny g and and y to thank in tears and Tom you f and Frank e and as a Nancy k I a n.com and that’s the best place and you can read and watch and look at things there.
00;54;31;09 – 00;54;38;23
Dr. Jenny
And if you’re interested in seeing if we’re a good match to work together, either one on one or in my group programs, you can check out, and apply.
00;54;38;26 – 00;54;51;26
Synergee
That’s awesome. And where are you physically located at physical? Oregon. Portland, Oregon. Oh, I love it. I love it.
00;54;51;26 – 00;54;59;02
Synergee
Nice and. Well, thank you so much. Do you have anything as we close, anything that you would like to share? Any closing remarks? Just things to uplift, inspire and encourage as we leave here today?
00;54;59;04 – 00;55;17;07
Dr. Jenny
Thank you. I first want to say both thank you to you, Kelly and Lori, for having me here, and also just for all the work you do. I mean, I can just tell from the way I was invited in and how much you really take this seriously and work deeply and work with all of those, you know, all of your clients.
00;55;17;07 – 00;55;36;08
Dr. Jenny
So thank you so much for your work. I mean, you’re definitely making it happen. And I just thank you. I’d say I feel like we’ve said a lot today, and I just think the one thing that I would just say, just reiterate and say that it’s so important is to always maintain that hope. And I know that we all come, you know, self included.
00;55;36;08 – 00;55;57;14
Dr. Jenny
We all have those moments when it just feels too hard. It feels like, you know, it maybe just got to give up, throw in the towel. There’s no points. You’ve tried everything and again it’s that place to, you know, have the cry, the scream or whatever you need to do and and then to when you’re ready, it’s like it’s time to just get up again and knock on another door.
00;55;57;14 – 00;56;18;10
Dr. Jenny
Keep knocking on doors. Because I know I have no doubt in my mind that for all of us, there’s always the next thing that we can do that can move our health on any or all of those levels that I talked about to another level so that we can experience more joy, more presence, more light. And being here at this time.
00;56;18;13 – 00;56;31;06
Dr. Jenny
And I really think that that’s what is is what’s needed for all of us and what makes us feel good. And then we get to share that with those around us. And it becomes this domino effect of positivity.
00;56;31;09 – 00;56;38;00
Dr. Jenny
And well, keep sharing the good news and inspiring and encouraging. Thank you for spending your Friday with us this afternoon.
00;56;38;00 – 00;56;46;01
Synergee
We appreciate you. Absolute pleasure. Thank you so much.
00;56;46;04 – 00;57;12;10
Synergee
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